- Client
- CliniqueThe Leading Clinique series
- In conversation
- Leonard A. LauderWith Michelle Freyre, Clinique's Brand President
- Crew on set
- NoneRecorded on Zoom, 16 August 2021
- Pictures
- The Estée Lauder Companies archivesAds, letters, stores and products
- Runtime
- 12 minutesIn chapters, subtitled throughout
- Aired
- 28 September 2021To Clinique's leaders worldwide
How do you film the founder of Clinique when nobody can be in the room? In the summer of 2021 we made a fireside chat with Leonard A. Lauder, and no camera of ours was ever in the room.
Leading Clinique is Clinique‘s program for its new leaders: directors and above, from every function and every region, brought into the brand’s history and the way it thinks. It had paused for the pandemic. For its return, Leonard A. Lauder, Chairman Emeritus of The Estée Lauder Companies and the man who started Clinique in 1968, agreed to a fireside chat with Michelle Freyre, Clinique’s Brand President. Clinique asked us to turn that conversation into a film worth gathering a global team for.

The brief, and the catch
The catch was the pandemic. By the summer of 2021, COVID-19 had kept people apart for a year and a half. Vaccines had arrived, but the Delta variant was surging that August, and at 88, Mr. Lauder was among those most at risk. Nobody was sending a film crew into the Lauder home. We offered every option we could think of: a single vaccinated, masked camera operator, a second camera synced to the call, a quick scout for a better background. Clinique chose to keep it simple, and rightly so. Mr. Lauder took the call in front of his bookshelves, Michelle set up at home with a ring light, and the two spoke on 16 August over Zoom. We weren’t on the call.
What arrived was a Zoom recording: two webcams, one shared audio track and a wonderful conversation. Everything that would make it a film had to be built afterward.
A fireside chat recorded on Zoom usually looks like one. We set ourselves a rule from day one: the film would be visually rich, and the Zoom would appear only where it earned its place, never as the main event. Mr. Lauder’s face carries the biggest lines and the warmest moments. Everything else is told in pictures.
Our rule: storytelling comes first
Before a single picture went in, we cut the conversation on its own: no music, no archive, placeholders where the titles would go. The point was to lock the story before anything was layered on top of it. We tightened every answer, took out the pauses and repeats, and put the stories in the order that tells Clinique’s life, from the idea to the icon.
Then we broke it into nine chapters, each one named for a line from Mr. Lauder: To Catch a Thief, The Beginning, Fragrance Free, The Cornerstone of Clinique, “We Need Copy”, My Secret Love, What Price Great Skin, A Family Affair and, to close, Great Skin Can Be Created. The cards give a twelve-minute conversation the rhythm of a documentary, and give the audience a place to breathe between stories.
The archive does the filming
If we couldn’t film Mr. Lauder, the archive could film everything Mr. Lauder talked about. We turned the conversation into a request list for The Estée Lauder Companies archives, talking point by talking point: the ads from the conversation, the products, the letters, the store photography, the launch at Saks Fifth Avenue, the consultants in their white coats. We can add subtle movement to a photograph, but nothing beats archival film, so we pushed for every reel the archive could find.
Then we ran it all through a vintage film gate, so the 1960s and a 2021 webcam feel like parts of the same film. The street outside Saks, the counters, the Clinique delivery van and the three-step system ads all play as if someone shot them yesterday on old stock.


It takes a thief to catch a thief
Mr. Lauder tells Clinique’s founding as a run of stories, and the film gives each one room. At the University of Pennsylvania, Mr. Lauder founded a film society. When it grew more popular than its auditorium, the answer was a second society to compete with the first. Years later, with Estée Lauder doing phenomenally well, the same thinking applied: who better to compete with Estée Lauder than Estée Lauder? It takes a thief to catch a thief.
Mr. Lauder hired Carol Phillips, then beauty editor at Vogue, to build it. Mrs. Estée Lauder, Mr. Lauder’s mother, wanted to call it Estée Lauder’s Clinique. Mr. Lauder wanted a name of its own, and won. Mrs. Estée Lauder set the rules that became the cornerstone: allergy tested, fragrance free. The formulas came from the dermatologist Dr. Norman Orentreich, and a computer typed each customer’s skin.
At sales meetings there was a song about exfoliation. Mr. Lauder asked for it to be in the film, and the archive found the recording. When Clinique launched at Saks Fifth Avenue, the store’s sales staff didn’t know how to sell a regimen at modest prices, so Evelyn Lauder, Mr. Lauder’s wife and a former schoolteacher, trained the staff and became Clinique’s first training director.
Then the ads. Everyone said Clinique needed copy. Mr. Lauder said it didn’t, because a picture travels to every country without translation, and the wordless still lifes ran everywhere from magazine back covers to bus shelters in France. There’s a confessed soft spot for High Impact Mascara, and a secret love for Take The Day Off, “But don’t tell anyone.” And there’s the story of how Carol Phillips held prices year after year under the line What price great skin?, and how Clinique became the place where the Lauder family learned the business.
“Great skin can be created. I believe that.”
Made for a room that spans the world
The audience was Clinique’s leaders in every region, so the film is subtitled in English from the first line to the last. It premiered to the global team on 28 September 2021, six weeks after the call.


Making a virtual fireside chat people want to watch
How do you make a fireside chat recorded on Zoom look like a real film?
Treat the recording as the soundtrack, not the picture. In this film the webcams appear only for the biggest lines and the warmest moments. Everything else is shown with the things Mr. Lauder talks about: the store, the counters, the people, the products and the ads. Give all of it one consistent look, here a vintage film gate, so a 1960s photograph and a 2021 webcam feel like parts of the same film.
What do you show if you can't film the speaker at all?
Plan the pictures from the conversation. Before the edit, we turned every talking point into a request list for The Estée Lauder Companies archives: the Saks Fifth Avenue launch, the consultants in their white coats, the delivery van, the ads from the conversation, even the sales-meeting song about exfoliation. Ask for moving film as well as photographs. One reel of real archival film does more for a story than a dozen stills with a slow push-in.
How do you keep a long interview from dragging?
Cut it twice. First as a story only, with no music and no pictures, until the conversation holds up on its own: take out the pauses and repeats, tighten every answer, and put the stories in the order that tells the brand's life rather than the order they were said in. Then break it into chapters named for lines from the conversation. Nine short stories, each with its own card, give the audience a place to breathe and always show where the story is.
What should you get right before the call is recorded?
The few things you can't fix later. Choose the speaker's chair and what sits behind it, put soft light on the speaker's face, and close the door on noise. If you can, turn on Zoom's setting that records a separate audio file for each person, so every voice can be cleaned up on its own. Ours arrived as one shared track.
Does a virtual event film need subtitles?
For a global audience, yes. This one premiered to Clinique's leaders in every region, so it is subtitled in English from the first line to the last. Subtitles carry it in rooms where the sound is low, for people listening in a second language, and on laptops playing muted.
How long does it take to make?
This one took six weeks from the call to the premiere. The conversation was recorded on 16 August 2021, the story-only cut followed nine days later, the archive request went out with the tighter edit on 2 September, the archive and chapter cards were in place by 16 September, and the film premiered on 28 September.
Credits
- Client
- Clinique
- In conversation
- Leonard A. Lauder, Chairman Emeritus, The Estée Lauder Companies, and Michelle Freyre, Brand President, Clinique
- Clinique creative direction
- Timothy Strudwick
- Archive
- The Estée Lauder Companies archives
- Edit and motion
- Chris MUG5 Maguire
- Producer
- Nastassja Simone
- Agency
- RIOT
ServicesEditing·Brand Storytelling·Motion Graphics·Branded Content